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Yes, sir, I'm calling for the UFO reporting center in Washington.

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Oh, yes.

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And we had an unnamed caller left a message at our office today regarding something that

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you were supposed to have seen several days ago.

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Where are you calling from?

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Seattle, Washington.

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Oh, no, that was my son left you that.

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I say.

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No, that was, I didn't see it myself.

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This happened about a block away from where I live.

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About 15 schoolchildren taught, hand to teacher.

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Oh, I see.

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And one of the schoolchildren was my daughter.

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That's how it came to mind.

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Well, it was a wonderful sighting.

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Jesus.

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The thing hung there for five minutes and all the kids just stared at it.

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Do you want me to tell you about it or?

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Yes, sir.

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We'd like to hear all about it.

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Well, there's a little canyon behind it.

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You know where Anthony this is?

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No, sir.

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Well, I do by the map.

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It's about 20 or 30 miles north of San Diego.

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Okay.

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Right along the ocean.

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It's like children go to a school called Ocean Knoll.

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There's a small canyon behind it, right behind the school.

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And at 830, they saw this thing go down in that canyon.

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Now, whatever landed there, it just hovered down in there.

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I don't know.

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And they were trying to climb.

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There was a fence around the play yard, of course, and they couldn't get out of the play yard,

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and they were trying to climb the fence so they could look down in the canyon,

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but they couldn't see it.

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And then an hour later at 930, this thing came up out of the canyon.

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And it just hovered right at eye level where they could look right into the windows and everything.

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See the people inside.

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Jesus.

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And it just hovered there for about five minutes.

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And finally it raised up and it came over and it circled the school yard.

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And with all the kids looking at it.

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They say it disappeared just by going right straight up in the air till it disappeared out of sight.

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Now there's strange thing about this whole thing.

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They run in and tell their teacher what they saw.

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And the teacher said, just forget it.

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Forget you saw anything.

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And I can't understand them and tell you.

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They just baffled me.

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And the teacher that stood there and saw it with them told the kids that forget they saw anything.

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Right.

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Well, we run into this whole thing.

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You run into that all the time?

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Yes.

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And it baffled me and it arrages me at the same time that they would tell my, you know, to see a UFO is one of the sites to see in this century.

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One of the great sites.

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If you're lucky enough to see one.

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And there my daughter saw one and told to forget about it.

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Right.

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How old was your daughter?

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She's 10.

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10.

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That's a good observing age.

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Yeah.

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And there was a girl that had a pair of binoculars.

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She just hadn't had a pair.

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They were going to watch birds or something.

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She watches things through binoculars and we were over at a house to see her.

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And because the teacher, we didn't see her down.

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She wasn't there.

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But my wife saw her later at day in a store.

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She would always tell us about the UFO and she would say, I didn't see anything.

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We didn't see anything.

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And the girl was probably the best at solving things, best of all of them, you know.

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Right.

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But turned off by the teacher's attitude.

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And another little boy that was all excited about it and everything was like, his reaction was the same thing.

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That wasn't nothing.

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But at the time, my daughter was telling me he was all excited and he knew what a UFO was and everything.

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But they turned them off on it.

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You running that out all the time?

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Oh yes.

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Not to you to remember the exact date on that?

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Yeah, it was Friday a week ago.

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In the morning.

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I'd have to get a counter.

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That would be a week ago last Friday?

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This last Friday.

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Okay, then that would probably be May 6th.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Okay.

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Now these, you know, the real story is to get these kids together and get them within.

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Let them tell you what they saw.

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But it was, oh we did talk to some other kids that thought, there was about five kids in one family and they were all excited about it.

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And I tried to collaborate with everyone, said, you know, about whether to make any noise and did it make any noise.

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One boy and sister didn't make any noise, but my daughter says it did make a noise.

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Like a slight roar, you know.

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But they all agreed on a color and they all agreed that it had windows on the side.

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They all agreed that you could look in and see people inside.

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I say people and they said that, the one boy said they looked like they had mask over their faces.

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And my little girl said they looked like their faces were all rough like.

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Funny observation, huh?

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But they generally agreed where it was and what it did and how it disappeared.

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They all agreed on that, you know.

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It circled over the schoolyard and just went right on straight up in the air and they never saw it again.

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Now this was a UFO, this was no helicopter or an airplane because my little girl seen thousands of them, you know.

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She could possibly have.

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Okay, now what kind of description did she give of this vehicle?

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Silver.

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Silver?

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And she said, daddy looked just like a plate.

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It would slide on the bottom, round on the top.

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The traditional saucer thing, you know.

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And it had, they made another observation.

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And as it caught the light of the sun, certain parts of it, which flashed brilliantly.

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Now whether that was just the, they seemed to think it was a reflection from the sun on some reflectors that were on the object itself, you know.

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Right.

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But it flashed brilliantly and it had lights on it.

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Yellow, blue lights on it.

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The blinked.

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And that object actually came up over the schoolyard?

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Came up, yeah.

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But the best observation was when it came out, it was a little canyon behind.

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Now I went down in that canyon, I'm disabled right now and I'm on crutches and I couldn't really get around very good down there.

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And it, we covered about maybe one fourth of the canyon the next, the next two days.

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Trying to see if we could see anything down there, you know.

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But it's so bushy and hard to get around there, I really couldn't go over it right.

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It'd take a able body, you know, two or three able bodies of men could go over that in an hour.

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Right.

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Right.

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Because it's just a small canyon, just a little thing.

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Okay, did your daughter make any drawings or sketches?

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Yeah, she did make me a little drawing, yeah.

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I asked her to draw me a little.

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We had her, I guess she still got it, I don't know, was around here.

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What was her first name?

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Her first name is...

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Okay, and how many witnesses or kids do you think there were?

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I think there were at least 15 kids.

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And the teacher?

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And the teacher, I know her name.

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Put up for down there right now.

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Okay.

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But you know, I called a San Diego paper, they had no interest in it at all.

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I thought society was more sophisticated at this time on that sort of thing.

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But they're hung up on their old fears, I guess they always did, you know,

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something you don't understand, forget it.

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Well, this is very interesting in it as much as we had a somewhat similar incident happen

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near Downey on the first day of the year.

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Or the second, Monday the second of May.

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Up in Downey, yeah?

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Right.

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He's at the heart of the city.

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Yeah, right.

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The object came down right over the schoolyard, right in the middle of recess.

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It was the same thing happened here, yeah.

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And how was that described?

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Just as a very bright silver object, they couldn't make out any real structural parts of the object.

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Huh?

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That was a brilliant light.

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And of course, in this particular case, the students, they got quite panic-stricken and

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ran into the school.

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And by the time they looked back out again, the thing had gone.

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What day was that?

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Was that anywhere near the Friday that...

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It was May 2nd, Monday May 2nd.

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So that was in the same week, wasn't it?

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Right, right.

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Gee, that's interesting.

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But they didn't have the same situation there where the teachers told the kids not to...

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No.

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Or maybe they were older kids.

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Not to my knowledge.

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Not to my knowledge.

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I talked to one of the girls' fathers and he had pretty well quizzed his daughter regarding

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the incident.

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And he was going to get in contact with other parents whose children were involved and see

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if they couldn't correlate all the information.

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Were they older or were they...

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Well, they...

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Yeah, grade school.

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Grade school, elementary, huh?

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Yeah, this is elementary, too.

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Up to sixth grade, I guess.

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In fact, I think his daughter was about seven and a half.

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Oh.

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Something like that.

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And how many people saw it?

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How many children saw it?

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I don't remember the group, but it was a pretty large group of kids.

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Gee, only five days away, huh?

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They saw it on Monday and then this thing was...

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I don't remember the group.

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Gee, only five days away, huh?

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They saw it on Monday and then this thing was seen again on that same Friday.

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What in the world would it be doing down in that canyon for an hour?

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Do you have any ideas?

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Well, of course, going down in the canyon is quite common for these vehicles, but what

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is really important is the fact that the incident occurred during daylight hours, which is very

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rare.

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Yeah.

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Well, was the other one in the evening or something?

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No, that was 11 o'clock in the morning.

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Oh, I'll be not.

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But somehow, they must have had some business there.

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They were collecting soil samples.

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So they were doing something to that or getting out of the way of radar?

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We're getting out of the way of radar, huh?

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Right now.

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And down there, my daughter remembers that it was exactly an hour because she saw it

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and she remembered they came out for recess at 9.30 again.

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And then when it came up out of the canyon, she happened to see it.

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And she, the kids all stood there with her mountain hanging up.

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OK, if we got a question you're off to, could you kind of work with your daughter to fill

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that in?

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Yeah, I'd like to.

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Also, if we could get some investigators in there, would you kind of operate as the hub

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to get them started?

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I would be glad to cooperate with anybody.

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It just infuriates me that they're going to just ignore the whole thing.

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Where did your son finally get our number?

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I gave it to him.

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Oh, I see.

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I called the sheriff department and they gave me your number.

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But since I don't have so much, I don't have very much money right now, I didn't call.

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Because I found out I was out of town.

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I just couldn't afford it.

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He had more money.

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He gave me a number.

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I'll call it.

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So he did.

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That's how that happened.

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But if you want to send anybody around, I'd be glad to cooperate with and show them where

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it is in the canyon.

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Was there any estimate of distance between the witnesses and the object?

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I estimate that.

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I don't think it could have been over 100 foot.

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They were right on top of things.

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They were right into it.

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You know, the average flight, as you know, the average flight, so the UFO sighting is,

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we saw two objects at approximately 5,000 feet north west or something.

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Well, they're valiant.

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This was a wonderful sighting.

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The ground level.

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And they're going to just ignore it.

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I can't believe it.

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Well, we'll get somebody in there to dig that out.

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I wish you would.

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I don't have the time or I can't do it because I'm disabled.

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But I'd love to cooperate with you.

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Well, we sure appreciate that very much.

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Okay.

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And thank you again for talking to me.

256
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Is this the hub where UFO information is sent in?

257
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Well, it's a national center.

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But we're a private scientific organization working on this subject.

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Oh, is that right?

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Right.

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It's not in any way associated with the government.

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Oh, so it's all by public, I mean, so...

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It's a self-funded organization.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Good.

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I'm glad to hear it.

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I'll send somebody around.

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We'll dig that story out.

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I'd like to do that.

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Thank you very much.

272
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You bet.

273
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Bye.

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Bye.